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Liberia, Guinea, and Gabon - Not Citations, wild claims.

The sections pertaining to the purported Jewish populations in Liberia, Guinea, and Gabon are fully without citations. Regarding Guinea for instance the sentence, "They have ancestry lineage that can only be Jewish.", seems to be wildly speculative (I would say even crazy.) If no citations can be provided, perhaps deletion of these sections would be in order. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.199.133.22 (talk) 14:18, 18 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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This article was really interesting as it pulled from many other articles and gave a wide breadth of information. The information often felt very surface level and as a reader think it would be more helpful for certain things to be explained. One example is in the Ethiopian Jews section. The phrase rabbinical responsa is used and I don't think the average reader would know that this references a whole group of rabbinical writings. Giving a little bit more background would help the average reader understand better where Ethiopian Judaism and Judaism that developed along with the Talmud converge and diverge. Overall, I enjoyed the article but I do think it could be improved upon by adding more details and background information. Celiaoleshansky (talk) 16:55, 21 September 2018 (UTC) Celiaoleshansky[reply]

Lemba and Remba

This was removed from the main list, there is too much dispute about them being "Jewish". See Who is a Jew? and Jews articles. More discussion is welcome on this talk page.IZAK (talk) 19:54, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"Many [[Lemba people|Lemba]] Jews are adherents of [[Christianity]] and [[Islam]]<ref>Bruder, Edith. ''The Black Jews of Africa: History, Religion, Identity''. Oxford University Press, 2012.</ref>. They speak the [[Bantu languages]] spoken by their geographic neighbours and resemble them physically, but they have some religious practices and beliefs similar to those in [[Judaism]] and [[Islam]], which they claim were transmitted by oral tradition.<ref name="Magdel">{{Cite book|author= le Roux, Magdel|title=The Lemba – A Lost Tribe of Israel in Southern Africa?|pages=209–224, 24, 37|publisher=University of South Africa|location=Pretoria|year=2003}}</ref>They have a tradition of ancient Jewish or South Arabian descent through their male line.<ref>{{Cite journal|doi=10.1163/157430199X00100|title='Lost Tribes1 of Israel' in Africa? Some Observations on Judaising Movements in Africa, with Specific Reference to the Lemba in Southern Africa2|year=1999|last1=Le Roux|first1=Magdel|journal=Religion and Theology|volume=6|issue=2|pages=111}}</ref><ref name="VanWarmelo">{{Cite journal|author=van Warmelo, N.J.|title=Zur Sprache und Herkunft der Lemba|journal=Hamburger Beiträge zur Afrika-Kunde|volume=5|year=1966|pages=273, 278, 281–282|publisher=Deutsches Institut für Afrika-Forschung}}</ref> Genetic [[Y-DNA]] analyses in the 2000s have established a partially Middle-Eastern origin for a portion of the male Lemba population.<ref name="SpurdleJenkins">{{Citation | title = The origins of the Lemba "Black Jews" of southern Africa: evidence from p12F2 and other Y-chromosome markers. | pmid = 8900243 | pmc=1914832 | volume=59 | date=November 1996 | journal=Am. J. Hum. Genet. | pages=1126–33 | last1 = Spurdle | first1 = AB | last2 = Jenkins | first2 = T}}</ref><ref>{{Cite book|title=DNA and Tradition – Hc: The Genetic Link to the Ancient Hebrews |last=Kleiman |first=Yaakov |authorlink= |coauthors= |year=2004 |publisher=Devora Publishing |location= |isbn=1-930143-89-3 |page=81 }}</ref> More recent research argues that DNA studies do not support claims for a specifically Jewish genetic heritage.<ref>Tofanelli Sergio, Taglioli Luca, Bertoncini Stefania, Francalacci Paolo, Klyosov Anatole, Pagani Luca, "Mitochondrial and Y chromosome haplotype motifs as diagnostic markers of Jewish ancestry: a reconsideration", ''Frontiers in Genetics '' Volume 5, 2014, [http://journal.frontiersin.org/article/10.3389/fgene.2014.00384] DOI=10.3389/fgene.2014.00384</ref><ref name="Soodyall">{{cite book|author1=Himla Soodyall|author2=Jennifer G. R Kromberg|editor1-last=Kumar|editor1-first=Dhavendra|editor2-last=Chadwick|editor2-first=Ruth|title=Genomics and Society: Ethical, Legal, Cultural and Socioeconomic Implications|publisher=Academic Press/Elsevier|isbn=978-0-12-420195-8|page=316|url=https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=E9icBAAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PA309&dq=Cohen+Modal+Haplotype+Lemba&ots=2qm1JZ6H6M&sig=dl9j_r6piyECuNoE5baX_lU-z44#v=onepage&q=Cohen%20Modal%20Haplotype%20Lemba&f=false|chapter=Human Genetics and Genomics and Sociocultural Beliefs and Practices in South Africa}}</ref>

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